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Jeg mente det faktisk rent prinsipielt, at dersom denne gamle kvinnen hadde myndige arvinger , så burde vel lensmannen ha nevnt det også. Med andre ord, når han kun skriver »Ingen Umyndige ?» , kan vel det tolkes som at hun heller ikke hadde noen myndige arvinger? Han kunne jo ellers skrevet "Ingen Myndige eller Umyndige arvinger ?» Eller var det kun umyndige arvinger han var pålagt å nevne?

Bertheus might be the father of a child in Bosfjord (Båtsfjord), Vardø, in 1811 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000012365773 He married there in 1812 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000002516718

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Takk for gode forslag. Planen nå er å rette feilene i familiemodellen og så kunne fjerne familierelasjoner enkeltvis. Begge disse oppgavene er ganske omfattende. Vi vurder omfanget av andre forslag og om mindre forbedringer skal gjøres før de to litt større.

Some digging in Ancestry.com turns up the birth of a son for Anne Maria Simonsdatter. Henrich Nilsen Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927 Name Henrich Nilsen Gender Male Baptism Date 1. des 1816 (1 Dec 1816) Baptism Place , Tromso, Troms, Norway Father Nils Henrichsen Mother Anne Maria Simonsdr FHL Film Number 127178 https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60092/records/20400280?tid=&pid=&queryId=15a551b0-5c70-4081-b3e5-b0800a9281ec&_phsrc=gRO9&_phstart=successSource

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Ser at ny skonnert Neptun i Moss nevnes i avisene av Henr. Gerner & Søn: https://www.nb.no/items/5e9e06155cd08b1039af85bcfc4a5bdd?page=3&searchText=%22skonnert%20neptun%22&recognizedTextContentMode=SPLIT 1857 kjøper F. Strøm Neptun av H Gerner & Søn i Moss: En innførsel i Mars 1857 som er nesten uleselig, og ny innførsel her i 1858: nr 4. langt nede på siden: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/23518/70 1862 For Salg: https://www.nb.no/items/43fc664b07cf5382f09d5d7a846a0033?page=3&searchText=%22skonnert%20neptun%22~1 1864 Neptunus HS? Obstfelder skadesløsebrev til LC Holm mfl.: venstre, nederst https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/23519/97 1864: https://www.nb.no/items/874c1136cdc28d5abef67c6b6cade059?page=247&searchText=neptun 1865: https://www.nb.no/items/2a8d629a098ef6fc06d23bf2243fb26c?page=189&searchText=neptun Neptunus: C. Nyman, byggeår 1847, fører O. Rasmussen, men oppgitt med 32 CL og bygd i Grimstad 1869 forliste Asbjørn Klosters Neptun utenfor Dusevik: https://www.nb.no/items/e6e15884752813fdd399227d360be620?page=27&searchText=%22skonnert%20neptun%22~1 Omtale forliset: https://www.nb.no/items/79ec9a70b93644843d3586b9e86395f3?page=0&searchText=%22skonnert%20neptun%22 Men finner ikke linken mellom Nyman 1865 og Kloster som angivelig kjøpte den i 1866….

In the other thread Mathias pointed out the fairly large number of children born to Zacharias (Sacharias) as something that would likely have kept him in Norway most of the time. So looking at the other brothers for example Søren had eight children from 1824 to 1842 Also this might make Søren less of a candidate. The list of children is posted on the other thread. Lars is listed as having six children in the Geni.com Tree. I have not checked all of them out but I did look at a couple and they match the Geni.com Tree. I have not looked at the families of the two girls they should also be looked at. https://www.geni.com/people/Simon-Seljeelv/6000000022451971067?through=6000000022422356898 Anne Marie Simonsdatter was single and age 25 in the 1801 Census She died in 1839 in Tromsø, Troms, Norway. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000006648376

Søren had these children Karen Maria 1824 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000039900483 Elen Johana 1826 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000039901290 Alexander 1834 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000040193196 Martha Semine 1837 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000039634848 From The Geni.com Tree Sivert 1830 15. aug 1830 (15 Aug 1830) Ancestry Johan Peder 1832 Bap 19. aug 1832 (19 Aug 1832) Ancestry Lorenz Andreas 1842 7. aug 1842 (7 Aug 1842) Nr 68 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050309012900 Ulrik Martin 1839 17. mai 1840 (17 May 1840) Ancestry Seems to be quite busy enough with this family.

Stavanger sjøfarts historie : seilskibene og seilskibsfarten i aarene fra 1600 til 1922 skriver den er bygget i 1847 i Arendal. Eiere F.Strøm 1860, F.O.Obstfelder. 26,5 c.l stor. Rigget som skonnert. Mønstringsjournaler: 3/5-1860 (283) - påmønstret skipper Obstfelder, drektighet 26,5 2/8-1864 (528) - påmønstret skipper O. Rasmussen, drektighet 26,5 23/4-1866 (260) - påmønstret skippe Eilertsen, drektighet 26,2 26/2-1867 (22) - påmøndtret skipper Eilertsen, drektighet 26,2 12/6-1868 (215) - avmønstret skipper Lund, drektighet 26,5, hjemmehørende Stavanger 7/1-1869 (5) - påmønstret skipper Lund, drektighet 26,5 Kapteiner: Gotfred Michael Manuel Obstfelder (1860-64) Ommund Rasmussen Harestad (1864-65) Klarer noen finne mer historikk?

I was adding to my post about the same time as you were posting but the answer is that he was born in 1781 and shows up with the family in the 1801 Census, age about 19. Then shows up again for the birth of his daughter, in 1806 ,no marriage as the lady married a Gustav Olsen shortly thereafter. After that I could not find anything on him. The Geni.com has him for the birth of the daughter but nothing after. And that Tree is quite detailed so I began to wonder about him. He would have been about 24 in 1806 so should show up somewhere. So where did he go and where and when did he die?

@Anton Hagelee What made you hone in on Berteus? Is there any inkling of him leaving Norway? I thought one useful point of entry might be looking at prisoners of war from the early 1800s as many Norwegians and Danes were captured and taken to England. I did find a couple with names that were in the Hedmark family and matched the ages, but the birthplaces listed were incorrect and so it seemed they weren't the same people. This could be a way by which some Scandinavians ended up in the UK without willfully emigrating.

Brother, Four of them, Zacharias (Sacharias), Lars, Søren and Berteus. And I think two sisters Lars has a large group of descendants in various places in the US but no connection to England. Søren is a bit like Zacharias with several children born in Norway Berteus is the one with very little know about him. He had a illegitimate daughter in 1806 but nothing know of him after that

@Anton Hagelee Is Berteus a brother/relative of Sacharias?

Ellen, good of you to weigh in on this discussion. What do you think of Berteus Simonsen as a potential candidate for the mystery man from Finnmark. I am hoping that involving more folks ie Mathias and Per will enable us to get a little clearer picture of who might be candidates It probably complicated things by me starting the second thread but the first was mostly focused on the Hedmark family and I was beginning to get the two families mixed in my head and needed to separate my efforts.

I cannot identify any of my matches who match both sides, they form distinct genetic clusters so it seems to me that they are unrelated. I based this not only on matches in common but on those who triangulate (share the same DNA segment[s]). I thought it seemed unlikely too, but it seems to me that I may have two distinct Norwegian ancestors. Based on how much DNA I share with them and how many matches I have, the Hedmark link seems more recent while the Finnmark one seems a little more distant.

Per, thanks for addressing the question from Ellen. I have not been able to find any connection between England and the Hedmark family. So I started a separate thread focused on the Finnmark-Tromsø family. If you have the time it would be great if you would look over that thread.

I think that the work you have done does fairly well eliminates Zacharias Simonsen as a candidate as a DNA match to Ellen Charges query. Zacarias had other brothers. One of them that I found most interesting is Berteus. Little can be found on him after the birth record of his child Tobia. I wonder if there is a Bygdebok that covers the area Tromsø, Troms, that would have Simon Larsen discussed. and would shed any light on what happened to the son Berteus after the birth of his daughter. in 1806? Simon Larsen with family in 1801 Census on Seljenæss https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058491001033

Når di 4 yngste barna blir konfirmert, er bosted Fr(i)islieie: Anne født 1812: https://nye.digitalarkivet.no/source/9072/parish/e1b6d182-df0c-453a-a59e-9570682bb2c9 Konfirmert: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/279/pk00000001432108 Sissel født 1815, konfirmert: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/279/pk00000001432825 Ole født 1818, konfirmert: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/279/pk00000001431511 Jon, født 1821, konfirmert: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/279/pk00000001428802 God kandidat til Mikkel død:, nr 45: https://nye.digitalarkivet.no/source/9081/parish/45bee455-f4aa-420c-af94-38932c8399ea Oppholdsted Vindjueie. Samme som denne Enke Johanne Johannesd. nr 81: https://nye.digitalarkivet.no/source/8844/parish/86b49533-e299-46c7-a9b0-57ec29f10e3e Vielsen til Mikkel og Johanne: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000001960991 Kandidat Johanne i ft 1801: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058234000337 I husnr 2, er det en Axel Larsen. Som også er trulover i vielsen.

Ellen, Anton, have you been able to identify anyone in Norway who shares the DNA with both the Finnmark and Hedmark links? If so, you may be able o pinpoint the person who went to England. It sounds unlikely (but is not impossible of course) that there would be an NPE with two different Norwegians, so i think it is more likely that the Norwegian who became the ancestor is a relative of both the Finnmark and the Hedmark lines.

Trur du må ta det spørsmålet med lensmannen ...

Du har rett, Gunnar. Jeg søkte på nb.no og Karoline Skullerud var overjordmor på Kristiania fødselsstiftelse: https://www.nb.no/items/7d9878aab4c1b160e6d2b26aba75aee6?page=477&searchText="karoline skullerud"

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...eller Skullerud, kanskje?

Takk. Men dersom vedkommende hadde myndige arvinger, burde vel det ha vært nevnt?