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@Anton Hagelee What made you hone in on Berteus? Is there any inkling of him leaving Norway? I thought one useful point of entry might be looking at prisoners of war from the early 1800s as many Norwegians and Danes were captured and taken to England. I did find a couple with names that were in the Hedmark family and matched the ages, but the birthplaces listed were incorrect and so it seemed they weren't the same people. This could be a way by which some Scandinavians ended up in the UK without willfully emigrating.

Brother, Four of them, Zacharias (Sacharias), Lars, Søren and Berteus. And I think two sisters Lars has a large group of descendants in various places in the US but no connection to England. Søren is a bit like Zacharias with several children born in Norway Berteus is the one with very little know about him. He had a illegitimate daughter in 1806 but nothing know of him after that

@Anton Hagelee Is Berteus a brother/relative of Sacharias?

Ellen, good of you to weigh in on this discussion. What do you think of Berteus Simonsen as a potential candidate for the mystery man from Finnmark. I am hoping that involving more folks ie Mathias and Per will enable us to get a little clearer picture of who might be candidates It probably complicated things by me starting the second thread but the first was mostly focused on the Hedmark family and I was beginning to get the two families mixed in my head and needed to separate my efforts.

I cannot identify any of my matches who match both sides, they form distinct genetic clusters so it seems to me that they are unrelated. I based this not only on matches in common but on those who triangulate (share the same DNA segment[s]). I thought it seemed unlikely too, but it seems to me that I may have two distinct Norwegian ancestors. Based on how much DNA I share with them and how many matches I have, the Hedmark link seems more recent while the Finnmark one seems a little more distant.

Per, thanks for addressing the question from Ellen. I have not been able to find any connection between England and the Hedmark family. So I started a separate thread focused on the Finnmark-Tromsø family. If you have the time it would be great if you would look over that thread.

I think that the work you have done does fairly well eliminates Zacharias Simonsen as a candidate as a DNA match to Ellen Charges query. Zacarias had other brothers. One of them that I found most interesting is Berteus. Little can be found on him after the birth record of his child Tobia. I wonder if there is a Bygdebok that covers the area Tromsø, Troms, that would have Simon Larsen discussed. and would shed any light on what happened to the son Berteus after the birth of his daughter. in 1806?

Når di 4 yngste barna blir konfirmert, er bosted Fr(i)islieie: Anne født 1812: https://nye.digitalarkivet.no/source/9072/parish/e1b6d182-df0c-453a-a59e-9570682bb2c9 Konfirmert: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/279/pk00000001432108 Sissel født 1815, konfirmert: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/279/pk00000001432825 Ole født 1818, konfirmert: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/279/pk00000001431511 Jon, født 1821, konfirmert: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/279/pk00000001428802 God kandidat til Mikkel død:, nr 45: https://nye.digitalarkivet.no/source/9081/parish/45bee455-f4aa-420c-af94-38932c8399ea Oppholdsted Vindjueie. Samme som denne Enke Johanne Johannesd. nr 81: https://nye.digitalarkivet.no/source/8844/parish/86b49533-e299-46c7-a9b0-57ec29f10e3e Vielsen til Mikkel og Johanne: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000001960991 Kandidat Johanne i ft 1801: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058234000337 I husnr 2, er det en Axel Larsen. Som også er trulover i vielsen.

Ellen, Anton, have you been able to identify anyone in Norway who shares the DNA with both the Finnmark and Hedmark links? If so, you may be able o pinpoint the person who went to England. It sounds unlikely (but is not impossible of course) that there would be an NPE with two different Norwegians, so i think it is more likely that the Norwegian who became the ancestor is a relative of both the Finnmark and the Hedmark lines.

Trur du må ta det spørsmålet med lensmannen ...

Du har rett, Gunnar. Jeg søkte på nb.no og Karoline Skullerud var overjordmor på Kristiania fødselsstiftelse: https://www.nb.no/items/7d9878aab4c1b160e6d2b26aba75aee6?page=477&searchText="karoline skullerud"

Tusen takk

...eller Skullerud, kanskje?

Takk. Men dersom vedkommende hadde myndige arvinger, burde vel det ha vært nevnt?

Taking a long look at the wealth of data on this family in the Geni.com Family Tree, I wonder if you should take a look at the brother of Zacharias Simonsen. He is Berteus Simonsen born in 1781. What little there is of him is that he can be found in the 1801 Census and listed as the father of a child Tobia in 1806. Mother of the child is Anne Margrethe Bersvendsdatter and the Geni.com Tree has the mother's death as 1824, He would have been 44 at the birth of William Higgs Eborn. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000012374872

Denne folketeljinga er vel transkribert og digitalisert for mange år sidan?

Jeg har to ønsker til forbedringer av Histreg: 1. Tidligere i år ble det gjort en endring slik at personprofilen ble oppdatert når man fjernet en forekomst. Tidligere ble dette bare gjort nå rman fjernet hovedforekomsten. Endringen medfører at mange gjennomarbeidede personprofiler blir endret til feilaktige AMF-transkripsjoner og årstall forsvinner gjerne fra dødsdato. Hvis det ikke er aktuelt å reversere denne endringen, håper jeg det kan innføres et tredje valg når man fjerner forekomster (de nåværende valgene er "Samle markerte i ny person" og "Delenk partnere". Jeg håper "Behold personinformasjon" el.l. kan legges til som valg. 2. Jeg savner å kunne søke i en spesifikk kilde, gjerne ved å oppgi kilde-ID. Denne finner man ved å klikke på kilden i personforekomsten.

Hei, jeg leter etter en mann som ble innlagt på Rikshospitalet i i august 1841. Jeg ser at dette materialet er klausulert og "sperret pga fysisk tilstand". Betyr det at disse journalene simpelthen ikke er tilgjengelige? https://arkivportalen.no/entity/635a245d-58b6-437b-ba72-a5604f54188d?ins=AV

Takk igjen 🙂

ja ... og så "(?)" etter - så heilt sikker var han tydelegvis ikkje. Myndige arvingar kunne/kan ha privat skifte, så det var ein viktig detalj.

Ja, med litt velvilje... - det liknar på h i "han".

Jeg tror det står: "den 1ste october(?) 1863 og siden jeg reiste til Holland en tur" Kan underskriveren av notatet - Nils Nilsen Zeell - være sjømann Nils Nilsen Sel fra Holmestrand? I FT 1865 og 1875 er navnet skrevet henholdsvis Seel og Zel. Det ville jo også forklare hvorfor historielaget i Vestfold har denne bønneboka.

Hei. Hva står her i Lensmannens oppgave over dødsfall i rubrikken for arvinger? Jeg tolker det til "Ingen Umyndige".

11/4-1865 skipper på Ingolf i Bergen til Østersjøen - av 16/1-1866 forlist paa Goodvinsan.. (Goodwin Sand) - 30/1 meldt hjemkommen (Jfr eldre broren Richard, som var styrmand på samme turen som du har fra før) https://www.nb.no/items/57ef64a2ae050961a39245fa50f78f94?page=1&searchText=ingolf Dåp: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000040539293 1865 Viet: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000006842588 Antonie Moshaug 1842

Tusen takk for nok en tyding, Ivar! Kan det være at det kan stå Thrap? Det var en sogneprest som het Daniel Smith Thrap i Oslo på den tiden. https://www.nb.no/items/b8ecc52e2cd3150a63273d036cc091be?page=13&searchText="Daniel Smith Thrap"