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In the other thread Mathias pointed the fairly large number of children born to Zacharias (Sacharias) as something that would likely have kept him in Norway most of the time. So looking at the other brothers for example Søren had eight children from 1824 to 1839. Also this might make Søren less of a candidate. The list of children is posted on the other thread.

Søren had these children Karen Maria 1824 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000039900483 Elen Johana 1826 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000039901290 Alexander 1834 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000040193196 Martha Semine 1837 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000039634848 From The Geni.com Tree Sivert 1830 Johan Peder 1832 Lorenz Andreas 1834 Ulrik Martin 1839 Seems to be quite busy enough with this family.

Stavanger sjøfarts historie : seilskibene og seilskibsfarten i aarene fra 1600 til 1922 skriver den er bygget i 1847 i Arendal. Eiere F.Strøm 1860, F.O.Obstfelder. 26,5 c.l stor. Rigget som skonnert. Mønstringsjournaler: 3/5-1860 (283) - påmønstret skipper Obstfelder, drektighet 26,5 2/8-1864 (528) - påmønstret skipper O. Rasmussen, drektighet 26,5 23/4-1866 (260) - påmønstret skippe Eilertsen, drektighet 26,2 26/2-1867 (22) - påmøndtret skipper Eilertsen, drektighet 26,2 12/6-1868 (215) - avmønstret skipper Lund, drektighet 26,5, hjemmehørende Stavanger 7/1-1869 (5) - påmønstret skipper Lund, drektighet 26,5 Kapteiner: Gotfred Michael Manuel Obstfelder (1860-64) Ommund Rasmussen Harestad (1864-65) Klarer noen finne mer historikk?

I was adding to my post about the same time as you were posting but the answer is that he was born in 1781 and shows up with the family in the 1801 Census, age about 19. Then shows up again for the birth of his daughter, no marriage as the lady married a Gustav Olsen shortly thereafter. After that I could not find anything on him. The Geni.com has him for the birth of the daughter but nothing after. And that Tree is quite detailed so I began to wonder about him. He would have been about 24 in 1806 so should show up somewhere. So where did he go and where and when did he die?

@Anton Hagelee What made you hone in on Berteus? Is there any inkling of him leaving Norway? I thought one useful point of entry might be looking at prisoners of war from the early 1800s as many Norwegians and Danes were captured and taken to England. I did find a couple with names that were in the Hedmark family and matched the ages, but the birthplaces listed were incorrect and so it seemed they weren't the same people. This could be a way by which some Scandinavians ended up in the UK without willfully emigrating.

Brother, Four of them, Zacharias (Sacharias), Lars, Søren and Berteus. And I think two sisters Lars has a large group of descendants in various places in the US but no connection to England. Søren is a bit like Zacharias with several children born in Norway Berteus is the one with very little know about him. He had a illegitimate daughter in 1806 but nothing know of him after that

@Anton Hagelee Is Berteus a brother/relative of Sacharias?

Ellen, good of you to weigh in on this discussion. What do you think of Berteus Simonsen as a potential candidate for the mystery man from Finnmark. I am hoping that involving more folks ie Mathias and Per will enable us to get a little clearer picture of who might be candidates It probably complicated things by me starting the second thread but the first was mostly focused on the Hedmark family and I was beginning to get the two families mixed in my head and needed to separate my efforts.

I cannot identify any of my matches who match both sides, they form distinct genetic clusters so it seems to me that they are unrelated. I based this not only on matches in common but on those who triangulate (share the same DNA segment[s]). I thought it seemed unlikely too, but it seems to me that I may have two distinct Norwegian ancestors. Based on how much DNA I share with them and how many matches I have, the Hedmark link seems more recent while the Finnmark one seems a little more distant.

Per, thanks for addressing the question from Ellen. I have not been able to find any connection between England and the Hedmark family. So I started a separate thread focused on the Finnmark-Tromsø family. If you have the time it would be great if you would look over that thread.

I think that the work you have done does fairly well eliminates Zacharias Simonsen as a candidate as a DNA match to Ellen Charges query. Zacarias had other brothers. One of them that I found most interesting is Berteus. Little can be found on him after the birth record of his child Tobia. I wonder if there is a Bygdebok that covers the area Tromsø, Troms, that would have Simon Larsen discussed. and would shed any light on what happened to the son Berteus after the birth of his daughter. in 1806? Simon Larsen with family in 1801 Census on Seljenæss https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058491001033

Når di 4 yngste barna blir konfirmert, er bosted Fr(i)islieie: Anne født 1812: https://nye.digitalarkivet.no/source/9072/parish/e1b6d182-df0c-453a-a59e-9570682bb2c9 Konfirmert: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/279/pk00000001432108 Sissel født 1815, konfirmert: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/279/pk00000001432825 Ole født 1818, konfirmert: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/279/pk00000001431511 Jon, født 1821, konfirmert: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/279/pk00000001428802 God kandidat til Mikkel død:, nr 45: https://nye.digitalarkivet.no/source/9081/parish/45bee455-f4aa-420c-af94-38932c8399ea Oppholdsted Vindjueie. Samme som denne Enke Johanne Johannesd. nr 81: https://nye.digitalarkivet.no/source/8844/parish/86b49533-e299-46c7-a9b0-57ec29f10e3e Vielsen til Mikkel og Johanne: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000001960991 Kandidat Johanne i ft 1801: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058234000337 I husnr 2, er det en Axel Larsen. Som også er trulover i vielsen.

Ellen, Anton, have you been able to identify anyone in Norway who shares the DNA with both the Finnmark and Hedmark links? If so, you may be able o pinpoint the person who went to England. It sounds unlikely (but is not impossible of course) that there would be an NPE with two different Norwegians, so i think it is more likely that the Norwegian who became the ancestor is a relative of both the Finnmark and the Hedmark lines.

Trur du må ta det spørsmålet med lensmannen ...

Du har rett, Gunnar. Jeg søkte på nb.no og Karoline Skullerud var overjordmor på Kristiania fødselsstiftelse: https://www.nb.no/items/7d9878aab4c1b160e6d2b26aba75aee6?page=477&searchText="karoline skullerud"

Tusen takk

...eller Skullerud, kanskje?

Takk. Men dersom vedkommende hadde myndige arvinger, burde vel det ha vært nevnt?

Taking a long look at the wealth of data on this family in the Geni.com Family Tree, I wonder if you should take a look at the brother of Zacharias Simonsen. He is Berteus Simonsen born in 1781. What little there is of him is that he can be found in the 1801 Census and listed as the father of a child Tobia in 1806. Mother of the child is Anne Margrethe Bersvendsdatter and the Geni.com Tree has the mother's death as 1824, He would have been 44 at the birth of William Higgs Eborn. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000012374872

Denne folketeljinga er vel transkribert og digitalisert for mange år sidan?

Jeg har to ønsker til forbedringer av Histreg: 1. Tidligere i år ble det gjort en endring slik at personprofilen ble oppdatert når man fjernet en forekomst. Tidligere ble dette bare gjort nå rman fjernet hovedforekomsten. Endringen medfører at mange gjennomarbeidede personprofiler blir endret til feilaktige AMF-transkripsjoner og årstall forsvinner gjerne fra dødsdato. Hvis det ikke er aktuelt å reversere denne endringen, håper jeg det kan innføres et tredje valg når man fjerner forekomster (de nåværende valgene er "Samle markerte i ny person" og "Delenk partnere". Jeg håper "Behold personinformasjon" el.l. kan legges til som valg. 2. Jeg savner å kunne søke i en spesifikk kilde, gjerne ved å oppgi kilde-ID. Denne finner man ved å klikke på kilden i personforekomsten.

Hei, jeg leter etter en mann som ble innlagt på Rikshospitalet i i august 1841. Jeg ser at dette materialet er klausulert og "sperret pga fysisk tilstand". Betyr det at disse journalene simpelthen ikke er tilgjengelige? https://arkivportalen.no/entity/635a245d-58b6-437b-ba72-a5604f54188d?ins=AV

Takk igjen 🙂

ja ... og så "(?)" etter - så heilt sikker var han tydelegvis ikkje. Myndige arvingar kunne/kan ha privat skifte, så det var ein viktig detalj.

Ja, med litt velvilje... - det liknar på h i "han".