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Hi Martina: The baptism (at https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/5902/62, entry 99) is for Siem (called Siam in the 1881 emigration record). Baptised 26 Dec [1879]. Born at what I read as Husebyeie [definitely Huseby with a couple of vowels at the end] - in essence a cottage on the farm of Huseby in Røyken parish. This is the same farm where Didrik was born in 1874, and where they were living when they emigrated in 1881. In column 6, for parents, the squiggle before Syver's name is Hmd., which stands for Husmand - what in English might be called a cottager, that is, someone farming a small plot of land and with a lower status than a full-blown farmer. The squiggle before Marie Svendsdtr.'s name is Hst., which stands for Hustru - i.e., wife. As you have probably figured out, the 1846 behind each of their names is their birthyear. The four names in the next column are the baptismal witnesses.

Jeg har anmodet etterkommerne å forsøke å oppnå kontakt med etterkommere etter Susanne Nilsen, og satser på at dette skjer.

Dette er fars slekt. Det er lite treff fra nordmenn på DNA. Det er ikke etterkommere fra mannslinje etter OAO i live, så Y-DNA utgår. Jeg har lagt inn endel opplysninger om etterkommere etter søsken til Ole Andreas Olsen f. 6. juni 1883 sin mor, Susanne Nilsen, i denne tråden, flere av dem antagelig fortsatt i live i USA. DNA-test av dem vil antagelig gi svar på om dette er riktig Ole Andreas. En eller flere av disse burde kontaktes for DNA-test, dersom man faktisk ønsker et svar på denne gåten.

Vil bare tilføye følgende: Dette gjelder ikke bare MH/Geni - du skal alltid sjekke oppgitt informasjon mot kilder uansett. Slektstrær på nett er opprettet av en bruker og det er ingen garanti for at den spesifikke brukeren har lagt inn korrekt informasjon.

Enig med deg. 🙂

The same entry from DA: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/6/pc00000000835382 The date her certificate for moving was issued, (6/10-1865), show us that this is the correct person.

Could it be "Grdflk", Gaardfolk? ("Farm people") I haven't seen it before, but several here have this title. Could it be people who worked on the farm with no ownership?

Her er samme dødsfallet som Gecchwind fant, i dødsfallprotokollen for Østre Aker. Nr. 3: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090519370954.

Lysning nummer 98 Oslo fylke, Kampen i Oslo, Lysningsprotokoll nr. 5 (1920-1927), Lysninger 1923, Side 57 Permanent bilde-ID: kb20060515030201 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060515030201 Permanent bildelenke: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060515030201.jpg

Det er spesielt etterkommere etter Susanne Nilsens bror, Simon, jeg tenker på, han ser ut til å ha mange nålevende etterkommere i Amerika gjennom flere linjer.

Gudrun Elfrida Botha giftet seg med Charles Lysell 30.9.1927 - hun var da enke : SAK, Arendal sokneprestkontor, Trefoldighet, F/Fb/L0007: Klokkerbok nr. B 7, 1916-1927, s. 239 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060509040343

I'm not Carl-Henry 😉 , but: it means (Ottos parents) married in October 1871, which isn’t quite correct since they married in September 1871. And yes his birth is in 1875.

Yes, but it seems this family had some problems getting its patronyms straight. If you look at Otto Syversen's baptismal record (at https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/5901/137) you will see that the priest first recorded his parents as Syvert Olsen and Marie Kristoffersdatter and only later realised that they were actually Syvert Andersen and Marie Svendsdatter. We can be sure that Anna Maria Svensdatter, daughter of Sven Larsson, is your ancestor because (1) multiple sources in Norway say she was born in Holmedal; (2) this Anna Maria is the only Anna Maria Svensdatter born in Holmedal in the 1840s; and (3) this Anna Maria left Holmedal on 6 Oct 1865, and your Anna Maria is recorded in Eidsberg in 1865 as having left Holmedal on that exact same date (this is then the same Anna Maria who left Eidsberg for Røyken in 1871). Given that Anna Maria left for Norway on her own and her father remained in Sweden, the father was not personally known to the priest or the congregation in Røyken, and thus it is to me quite plausible that the priest made a mistake in recording the father's patronym.

Hi Martina: 1) The record that Anne-Lise shows in post #11 is from the 1856-1860 household examination book (Swedish equivalent of a census). So Elin Persdr. must have already been dead by this time, as Sven Larsson was already living with his second wife at this time. 2) V:a Fogelvik is how Sven's birth place was spelled in the actual death record; this is the same as what is now known as Västra Fågelvik (which is the parish just west of Holmedal parish in Värmland county, wedged between Holmedal and the Norwegian border). For the geography of these parishes in Värmland, see the map at https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Värmland_County,_Sweden_Genealogy 3) Lefverbyn is a farm in Homedal parish. Sven was already living here in 1856-60, and he died here in 1891 (edit - should be 1901). 4) The death record is from the Swedish archives, which are behind a paywall - which is why you can't access them directly with the link. Perhaps Anne-Lise can give you instructions if you want to sign up for a membership to explore the Swedish records yourself.

Bare ett lite råd fra meg. Stol aldri på det du finner på MyHeritage eller Geni (samme eier) før du har kontrollert informasjonen mot en primærkilde. (F.eks. kirkebok. o.l.) Les denne diskusjonen. https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/224588-genicom-og-fake-news/

Emigrasjonen i 1881 ligger i innlegg 2. Her står Anne Marie med feil alder,29 år.

Source for the baptism: : Holmedal (S) CI:3 (1797-1851) Bild 145 / sid 384 (AID: v6727.b145.s384, NAD: SE/VA/13214)

? http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=If01001812&gardpostnr=24160&personpostnr=24160&merk=24160#ovre

Census 1875. Anne Marie Svendsdatter 1845 Holmedal,Sverige http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1875&knr=0627&kenr=005&bnr=0031&lnr=00

Hei Tusen takk , Richard J Natvig. Kom da noen år videre. Kanskje det hjelper med å finne ett skifte etter moren. Mener at der var noe å arve(gård/jord). Jeg har kontroll/oversikt over nesten alle søsknene hans. Mangler bare en bror, Jacob Kornelius *1818 mvh Mette

Fant han 😄

Sorry, what a blunder! You are absolutely right, and that makes more sense, too!

Margit Kristine Hansen Norway Baptisms Name Margit Kristine Hansen Gender Female Birth Date 23 Feb 1887 Christening Date 27 Feb 1887 Christening Place Oslo, Oslo, Norway Father's Name Anders Hansen Mother's Name Karoline Andersen https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWJ4-VMG GS Film Number 1282971 Item 1, Item 2: Kirkebøker, 1880-1913 Author: Den Norske kirke. Petrus menighet (Oslo) Add Nr 29 SAO, Rikshospitalet prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/L0007: Ministerialbok nr. 7, 1885-1890, s. 31 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060830080569 Nr 58 SAO, Rikshospitalet prestekontor Kirkebøker, K/L0003/0002: Dåpsbok nr. 3.2, 1884-1889, s. 90 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050829040729

Died in Østre Aker 30 Dec 1933: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/25775/221, first entry at top.

Alfred og familien i f.t. 1900: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01037194000267

Jeg lurer på om dette er Alfred i f.t. 1910 for Flosta. Faren heter Aralt Nilsen: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01036551000082 Og det stemmer ganske så bra med dåpsinnførselen: Aust-Agder fylke, Flosta i Dypvåg, Ministerialbok nr. A 1 (1885-1912), Fødte og døpte 1893, Side 94-95 Permanent bilde-ID: kb20060531120307 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060531120307 Permanent bildelenke:

Østersund

Tiden 04.03.1919

Bare hyggelig Ivar !

Fenomenalt Egil. Hva du klarer å finne. Da er alt i boks. Eneste jeg har å jobbe litt med er å finne ut om Leslie og Doris fikk noe etterkommere. Hjertelig takk for all denne supergode informasjonen. Mvh Ivar

No problem Carl-Henry. So I will continue on with this family on my own but as I have said before, I appreciate all the time and patience in researching my 2nd great grandmother!!!

Gjort :)

Emigrasjonen. Nye DA. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000949488

Jeg fant en del e-poster, ja. Det viser seg at vi i november 2009 var i startfasen når det gjaldt indeksering og publisering av dødsfallsprotokoller. Det var kun mikrofilmede dødsfallsprotokoller som var skanna, og kun enkelte fylker var representert. Det var mikrofilmet noen dødsfallsprotokoller, bl.a. for Bergen, til 1950-tallet, og da det fantes bruksfilmer av disse, trodde vi først at bildene også kunne legges ut i Digitalarkivet. Men bevisstheten omkring sensitive opplysninger hadde vært i utvikling siden mikrofilmingens tid, og da vi ble klar over dette, fjernet vi ca. 13. november fire Bergen-protokoller som dekket perioden 1935-1942, og som var publisert. Yngre protokoller var ennå ikke indekserte/publiserte. (Det ble tatt backup av indekseringsdataene, men da protokollene ble lagt ut med sperre i 2017, ble de likevel indeksert på nytt.) Dette var med andre ord et eksempel på at vi gikk litt for raskt fram, uten at vi hadde avklart alt som var nødvendig på forhånd. Heldigvis korrigerte vi oss selv raskt.

Sven Larsson dies in 1901: Förnamn Sven Efternamn Larsson Födelsedatum 1817-03-23 Födelseplats V:a Fogelvik Födelseförsamling (normerat) Västra Fågelvik, Värmlands län Dödsdatum 1901-03-18 Boendeförsamling Holmedal, Värmlands län Plats Lefverbyn Tidsperiod 1896 - 1905 Länkar Källa: Holmedal AIIa:1 (1896-1905) Bild 2120 / Sida 200 Födelsebok: Västra Fågelvik CI:3 (1798-1851) Genväg r5.p21387014

Nå er protokollen komplett i Digitalarkivet, men 1935- og 1936-årgangen er altså sperret. Det var fint at dette ble påpekt!

? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V7DV-K24

There are two moves here. The first record is from 1865 (what Ann-Mary found in post #7). This is a parish book entry recording the acceptance into Eidsberg clerical district. The entry reads: "Nr. 46. 29 Oct 1865 [date of acceptance into the parish]. Anna Marie Svendsdatter, a girl, age 19, entering service [i.e., taking a job as a servant girl], coming from Holmedal, now living at Melleby in Herland parish [a parish in Eidsberg clerical district in Østfold county], brought with her a certificate from her home parish [i.e., Holmedal in Sweden] dated 6 Oct 1865." There is then an addition that says she left again 25 March 1871. What Ann-Mary found in post #8 is the record of her leaving on that date for Røyken in Buskerud county - where she then got married 1 Oct 1871. With this information, I also found her in the 1865 Norwegian census (which was taken at the end of December 1865): https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01037994006219. She is a servant girl (listed as 19 years old and born in Sweden) with the family of farmer Johan Gundersen at Melleby in Herland. Her father Svend is nowhere to be found in Eidsberg, either in the census or the parish book, so it indeed looks like Anne Marie came on her own. Anybody's guess as to what the story is - had her father died, or was the family so poor that she needed to earn her keep by going into service, or was she just looking for adventure? Note that the move wasn't actually that far - Eidsberg in Østfold county, Norway, is only about 20 miles west of Holmedal parish in Värmland, Sweden, just across the border. Røyken is another 35 miles or so northwest of Eidsberg.

Nr 25,på høyre side. Hun flyttet til Røyken. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/5754/413

Electoral registers 1832-1932 Image Constituency in full: Parliamentary County of Buckinghamshire, Buckingham Division Constituency: P C of Buckinghamshire, Buckingham Division Year: 1929 Season: - Register type: Parliamentary County Polling district or place: Newport Pagnell County: Buckinghamshire Country: England Archive: The British Library Archive reference: SPR.Mic.P.15/BL.B.118 Image number: 559 Record set: England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1832-1932 Category: Census, land & surveys Subcategory: Electoral Rolls

Electoral registers 1832-1932 Image Constituency in full: Parliamentary County of Buckinghamshire, Buckingham Division Constituency: P C of Buckinghamshire, Buckingham Division Year: 1928 Register type: Parliamentary County Polling district or place: Newport Pagnell County: Buckinghamshire Country: England Archive: The British Library Archive reference: SPR.Mic.P.15/BL.B.118 Image number: 474 Record set: England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1832-1932 Category: Census, land & surveys Subcategory: Electoral Rolls

? South Wales Echo, Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales, 24 September 1898, page 3

Tar med dette da det viser yrket hennes: Census 1939 Olsen Household (1 Person), 138 Green Lanes , Stoke Newington, London, England FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS Olga L Olsen 17 May 1906 Female Shorthand Typist Civil Service Inland Revenue Single

? The England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Leslie S Olsen Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1940 Registration district: Ilford Inferred County: Essex Spouse: Doris H Martin Volume Number: 4a Page Number: 1968

Jeg finner ham i en avisartikkel i 1932 i 2 ulike aviser. Northampton Mercury, Northampton, Northamptonshire, England, 30 September 1932, page 5. Bedfordshire Times and Independent, Bedford, Bedfordshire, England, 30 September 1932, page 14

Britain, Merchant Seamen, 1918-1941 First name(s) Leslie Segward Last name Olsen Event year 1921 Birth year 1904 Birth place Cardiff Birth county/country Glamorganshire Birth date 12 Jan 1904 Discharge number R 87100 Card type CR1 Archive The National Archives Series BT349 Date range 1921-1941 Record set Britain, Merchant Seamen, 1918-1941 Category Education & work Subcategory Merchant Navy & Maritime Collections from Great Britain, UK None

Tror ikke han flyttet - han var mannskap 😉

Nå er et nytt bilde av side 324 på plass: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb10711808141001

Johan Alfr. Magnusson Bergendal Sweden, Household Examination Books, 1880-1930 Name: Johan Alfr. Magnusson Bergendal Event Type: Census Event Date: 1876 - 1880 Event Place: Östergötland, Sverige Event Place (Original): St, Östergötlands, Sweden Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 21 Mar 1853 Birthplace: Gryth Death Date: - Volume: Laurentii AI19 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Johan Alfr. Magnusson Bergendal Gryth Augusta Albertina Nilsson Wife Female Skpg. Johan August Son Male Skpg. Gustaf Waldemar Son Male Skpg. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG5J-FYKW View the original document. ---- Johan. Alfr. Bergendahl Sweden, Household Examination Books Name Johan. Alfr. Bergendahl Event Type Census Event Date 1876 - 1880 Event Place Östergötland, Sverige Event Place (Original) St, Östergötlands, Sweden Gender Female Marital Status Married Birth Date 21 Mar 1853 Birthplace Gryt Death Date - Volume Laurentii AI19 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Frans Wilhelm Kruskopf Spouse U Stafnäs Ernst Rudolf Fernelius Nylander U Svinstad Otto Leonard Hellström U Norrkpg. Carl Anton Pihl U Tryserum Magnus Carlsson U Skönberga Mathias Nilsson U Hoby i. Blekinge August Peter Olsson U Kisa Carl August Svensson U Frendefors Anders Alfr. Alexandersson U Kisa Gustaf Wilhelm Lindblom U Skeninge Karl Peter Nilsson U Madesjö August Wilhelm Svensson U Wikingstad Gustaf Albin Olsson U Kisa Anders Johan Gustafsson U Ringarum Johan Walfrid Wallander U Tjellmo Ludvig Andersson Liljedahl U Norrköping Gustaf Adolf Zander U Flistad Johan. Alfr. Bergendahl F Gryt Johan August Son M Skpg. Johan Wiktor Sandholm U Karlskrona https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG5J-GTRC View the original document. ---- Johan Alfred Bergendahl Sweden, Household Examination Books Name Johan Alfred Bergendahl Event Type Census Event Date 1881 - 1885 Event Place Österhaninge, Stockholm, Sverige Event Place (Original) Österhaninge, Stockholms, Sweden Birth Date 21 Mar 1853 Birthplace Gryt. Linköp. l. Death Date - Volume AI22 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLPY-HS4S View the original document. ---- Johan Alfred Bergendahl Sweden, Household Examination Books Name Johan Alfred Bergendahl Event Type Census Event Date 1891 - 1895 Event Place Österhaninge, Stockholm, Sverige Event Place (Original) Österhaninge, Stockholms, Sweden Birth Date 21 Mar 1853 Birthplace Gryt. Linkps. l. Death Date - Volume AI24 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Johan Alfred Bergendahl U Gryt. Linkps. l. Johan August Son M Söderköping https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLPT-RZF1 View the original document. ---- Johan Alfred Bergendahl mentioned in the record of Johan Alfred Bergendahl and Eli Olsen Name Johan Alfred Bergendahl Spouse's Name Eli Olsen Event Date 02 Aug 1896 Event Place Paulos Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway Father's Name Magnus Jansson Spouse's Father's Name Ole Torrissen https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N71K-KP9 ----

Beklager, jeg må ha blingset på fødselsåret....